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"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 01/28/2019 at 12:18 • Filed to: None

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Howard Schultz 2020 ? D iscussion inside.

If he ran (as an independent), he’d definitely steal votes from the Democratic candidate; in the past, I’ve liked the idea of a centrist independent candidate, but I don’t think that Schultz is the right person (he’s aligned with the left, not a true centrist), and I’m not for anything that gives Trump another 4 years.

And Trump is now basically daring him to run, saying he “doesn’t have the guts”: either The Donald’s normal blathering, or a very smart political move. The reality show presidency continues...

Your thoughts?

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Nibby > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:34

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VOTE SCOOB/NIBBY 2020

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:39

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Does this mean Starbucks cups will no longer say “Merry Christmas” any more?!!!1

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Nibby 01/28/2019 at 12:42

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Sorry, but I’m voting for Frida.

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/politics-1831656905

Spanfeller is a twat > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:43

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We always have this dicussion here about Carlos Slim

“Oh will he run” “Oh he’d be a good candidate”

I say, shut it. Maybe Schultz is more prepared to be President than Trump is, but that doesn’t make him prepared enough.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/28/2019 at 12:43

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He’s inextricably tied to the company, but he stepped down as CEO months ago in preparation for this run. But yeah, way too far to the left to be a true independent candidate.

An interesting question: what percentage of Trump voters have ever bought a cup of coffee from Starbucks? 

Jayhawk Jake > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:44

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I would like to see a strong independent candidate have a successful run, but with our current system I fear the same scenario you have described.

I don’t really understand why Schultz wouldn’t just run as a Democrat if he truly wanted to win. What needs to happen is a strong “independent” need to win associated with one of the two parties then push for reform that rids us of the two party system.

Ranked voting could solve the presidential problem. If we had ranked voting a Schultz ran independent, it could allow those who say “I like this guy, but I also don’t like Trump” to rank Schultz 1 while still placing the Democratic candidate ahead of the Republican option.

I would like to see this regardless, but your scenario does assume that Trump will be the Republican nominee. He might not be for a variety of reasons. I think the 2020 election is going to be quite interesting. 

lone_liberal > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:47

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He is taking his motivation for running directly from Abraham Lincoln, sort of. He is running so that government of the rich, by the rich, for the rich shall not perish from the earth.

Also remember, the fact that he couldn’t get Seattle to give him taxpayer money so he could make even more money is the reason that the Seattle Sonics are now the OKC Thunder.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:47

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<1 % I'd say , but 100% of them participated in the manufactured outrage about keeping “Christ” in Christmas.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:49

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Same, this is not the time to be splitting votes.

Sure he’s had actual business experience running a truly huge corporation with proper accountability – and not to be ageist but he probably also has seen enough in his life to be a solid leader (as opposed to say, a President Zuckerberg, shudder). So I want to tell the side of me going “no more non-public servants jumping right in to the presidency not having a clue about how any of it works” to calm down. But yeah Trump’s 35-40% is never leaving him and this will only split the D votes…so where will that leave us?

Oh and what the hell is the RNC doing? Have they completely just given up and decided being a Republican means being a Trumpeter now? I’ve never associated with the party, but would expect more from the decent folks out there who just merely have a conservative outlook on life.

Also, if this is going to become a trend with businessmen starting to run for president I’d like to see better solid rules put in place around conflicts of interest, a binding plan for divesting ownership , and public disclosure of interests BEFORE getting on the ballot.

Tapas > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:49

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Seeing how many Democratic candidates are running, I think the Dems are already fragmenting their voters among all the candidates pretty heavily.

I hope left leaning people can unite under one candidate once the Primaries are over.....

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 01/28/2019 at 12:49

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He’s going to need a lot of convincing to not run at this point.

Potential scenario: no strong Democrat rises to the top, and at some point Schultz has the better chance to win, so everyone who was making the argument that Schultz is the spoiler, turns on the the Democrat candidate, saying a vote for them is a vote for Trump, and Schultz becomes the de facto D nominee.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:56

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No. We actually need a politician.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Nibby 01/28/2019 at 12:58

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We are with you. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/28/2019 at 12:59

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No way it’s that low. Plenty of rich people voted for Trump. 

Spanfeller is a twat > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 12:59

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I think that a Warren/Harris ticket would be pretty convincing.

Nibby > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 13:00

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yay thanks

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Jayhawk Jake 01/28/2019 at 13:02

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I’m sure he considered it, but he probably didn’t want to have to deal with all the debates, etc. that the D candidates will have to go through on the way to the nomination. It’s definitely the selfish choice to run as an independent (he may view himself as that, but no one else will).

“He might not be” - good Lord I hope that’s the case... 

Jayhawk Jake > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 13:04

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I don’t really want a leader that doesn’t want to “deal with” public forums to discuss issues.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 01/28/2019 at 13:05

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The “laying down” of everyone on the R side is terribly frustrating. The lack of backbone (save for a few) to stand up to Trump is infuriating. They’ve made a deal with the devil, and they’re going to pay for it.

Brickman > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 13:07

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I am running for President too. I will get rid of U. S. currency and everything will be paid for in LEGO bricks. I am already rich :P

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Brickman 01/28/2019 at 13:09

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Please provide schematic of future wallets. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Jayhawk Jake 01/28/2019 at 13:10

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Nope. 

Brickman > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 13:13

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burlap sack with a minifigure logo on it.

Just need to establish a partnership with Prada for designer brick bags 

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 13:14

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Unfortunately third-party candidacies don’t work well in our system. I wouldn’t support him either way, but I don’t want to get stuck with another 4 years of Trump because of his ego. At least Bloomberg looks like he will run as a Democrat if he runs.

Ultimately, I’d love for the US to scrap our broken Electoral College system and adopt ranked choice ballots for instant runoffs, which would do away with a lot of these stupid side effects. I don’t see that happening for a long time  though. My hope is that it can be adopted for smaller races (some of this is happening already), and that that creates pressure to adopt it for higher offices. The presidency is hardest of all, because the problem still exists if any more than two candidates win states.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 01/28/2019 at 13:16

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They both have issues, but if they can get the party to rally around them and turn out ... who knows? 

Pretty much all comes down to Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona & Wisconsin. Gotta have a candidate that can win in these places.

Jayhawk Jake > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/28/2019 at 13:17

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Do we though?

On the face of it a business leader running the country could work well. So long as they have well qualified advisers and appointees that can operate the more politically charged aspects of the job well.

Trump was never going to be that leader. I would still be open to the concept, though it wouldn’t hurt for that person to have SOME experience in politics prior to the presidency. If someone like Schultz is truly serious about being president, it isn’t that tall of an ask for them to spend one term in congress first.  

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 01/28/2019 at 13:18

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The Electoral College definitely isn’t going anywhere. 

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Jayhawk Jake 01/28/2019 at 13:19

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We need someone who actually knows how things work. Not just someone who thinks they know.

Spanfeller is a twat > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 13:19

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Florida might be very interesting, over one million new voters!

Also Michigan might be ready to change sides again, as MAGA hasn't helped them out as much as they wanted.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Jayhawk Jake 01/28/2019 at 13:27

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Agreed about business people and elected office. While I probably align more closely with Schultz’s philosophies and there were some pretty horrific problems with Bloomberg’s time in leadership – at least he does have experience working in government. Agreed that congress would be better suited as a stepping stone to the presidency, but in general at least personally I view it as a pretty crucial bit of perspective and experience.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Jayhawk Jake 01/28/2019 at 13:28

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To run as a democrat he would have to first purchase about 2/3 of the current DNC’s favor and make Hillary disappear.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 01/28/2019 at 13:37

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Whoa - a million new voters , or a million more people (since ‘16)?

There are very few people who voted for Trump who would vote for Warren. 

Spanfeller is a twat > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 13:39

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I have no idea when they were banned, but it’s 1.5 million

On the other hand, I agree, very few Trump voters would vote for Warren, and maybe even fewer republicans in general. But the issue of polarizing to win a smaller crazier base, or trying to unite with a bigger, flimsy base is going to be the issue in 2020.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 01/28/2019 at 13:45

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Ah, yes. That, plus the growth in population. One has to wonder: maybe it’s no longer the battleground it once was, but which way will it fall?

Spanfeller is a twat > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 13:52

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I don’t want to generalize, but given these people’s past, and what Republicans typically do /say to these people I think it might prove a D bias.

Jayhawk Jake > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 01/28/2019 at 13:57

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The same could be and often is said in business. Yet a good leader can enter an industry they aren’t familiar and be successful by leveraging those around them. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Spanfeller is a twat 01/28/2019 at 13:58

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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article221021940.html

Spanfeller is a twat > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 14:10

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Yeah...

His Stigness > Jayhawk Jake 01/28/2019 at 14:16

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Republicans have been running on the “businessman” platform for decades. Have they ever really balanced a budget and left a surplus? Nope. California is a great measure for this. We’re generally the worlds fifth largest economy, and when a Republican gets their hands on the reigns they take a budget SURPLUS and turn it into a huge deficit . And then it takes a Democrat to dig this behemoth of a state out of that whole, and then leave a nice pile of cash for when the shit hits the fan again.

Jerry Brown was absolutely a career politician, and he left a fucking MASSIVE budget surplus. 

B/Xmrrmvr > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 15:11

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I don’t see his run being serious at all and it’s a real shame that’s he’s not going to be running for the Democratic nomination. A variety of candidates running in the primaries is the best way to get a good candidate.

Question: What policies do you consider to be the tenets of true centrism?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > B/Xmrrmvr 01/28/2019 at 15:32

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He’s serious enough to step down as CEO from his company, write a book - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/564768/from-the-ground-up-by-howard-schultz/9780525509448/ - and now put his name out there with a 60 Minutes special. He’s a year into this decision.

This is a good question, and I’m not sure of the answer. No sacred cows, best ideas win, balance between industry & environmental concerns, rationality not extremism , debt/deficit reduction, etc. For all I know, his positions may be centrist, but the fact that he’s a lifelong Democrat, from a very liberal place, and was head of a company that many see is aligned with liberal ideals (whether that perception is legitimate or not), does not set him up well to draw many votes from right of center.

Jayhawk Jake > His Stigness 01/28/2019 at 17:05

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It may just be the wrong people.

I’m not saying it’s THE answer, but I wouldn’t shut the door to it completely.

nermal > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 18:50

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Everything people are saying about Shultz now...... is pretty much exactly what they were saying about Trump 4 yrs ago. He doesn’t have experience, he’ll never win, etc etc etc.

I’m just looking forward to a now battle-hardened Trump destroying  whoever he runs against in the debates. I don’t think there’s anybody on the D side that could win a debate against him. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/28/2019 at 20:45

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Given the economic demographic more than many think

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Tapas 01/28/2019 at 20:49

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I have a cousin that is allready going off on FB, Its either bernie or no-one. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Jayhawk Jake 01/28/2019 at 20:52

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the issue I have with a businessman ideal is that in business if a market isn’t doing well, cut and run. If a division is unprofitable, gut it. And those two things don’t work well when your employees and customers are the american people. McNamera should be a lesson on how smart people can make really dumb choices. 

Tapas > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/28/2019 at 23:58

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Well fuck...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > nermal 01/29/2019 at 08:45

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Trump has the cult of personality thing. Schultz has very little, if any, of that.

“debate”

Insult-shouting match is more like it, with lots of “great”s and “beautiful”s thrown in.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/29/2019 at 08:58

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Yup. Plenty of people don’t give a shiiit about anything else except paying less in taxes (or less red tape for their business = more money for them).